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Iss. 6, Pg. 7 | Jesus Loves Lesbians, or Fuck the Westboro Baptist Church

Iss. 6, Pg. 7 | Jesus Loves Lesbians, or Fuck the Westboro Baptist Church

January 17, 2015 in Issue 6
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Caley Tibbittz Collopy 17th Jan 2015, 4:58 PM edit delete reply
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I am moved to humanize the gay and the bi and gaybi-curious and pretty much everyone who doesn't get enough respect in real life.

Honestly, I was more than a little scared on some level(s) to execute this page as I've done here, but in being true to the characters and myself, I couldn't step back from this moment ringing in my brain like a bell of clarity and purpose and statement and story and every damn thing it needed to be.

In the wake of the Charlie Hebdo massacre, I wanted to draw something in support of them, but I couldn't think of anything more clever than what other cartoonists came up with; instead, I let them inspire me to take a different kind of risk than they do, but with a touch of the same spirit.

I know I'll upset someone with this page. I may even be risking losing friends over this work. Hell, I could get hate mail, using a Bible quote over a Sapphic sex scene*. But Je Suis, and all that.

*An idea I got from reading this article at Bible Thumping Liberal; it's well worth a read, whether you're a believer or a science-y atheist who just thinks Jesus was decent fellow or even if you've yet to make up your waffle-y agnostic mind.

I josh. Sort of.

And a big hearty "Fuck you!" to those who foster violence and discriminatory hate in this world, with a "Fuck you in particular!" to the Westboro Baptist Church. I say again: FUCK THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH.

WBC-ers: While you're busy pissing on everything Jesus stands for with your ghoulish funeral-crashing hate protests, I'll be busy voting for equality, promoting love in my art, donating to the homeless, and living as Christian a life as a selfish semi-spoiled American can muster and still get a webcomic done.

(One Millions Moms can heartily bite me as well.)

...anyhoo: this scene is now vastly different from the original script; when I wrote the original version, I didn't "get" that Erica was in love with Kathryn. Having now written 5 years ahead, some things will change -- but always toward how they should have been all along. Put another way: this is the true scene underneath the original scene I wrote.

I hope it's pretty and poetic and not slutty and trashy. It was built with the best intentions, to illustrate the safety of each others' embrace. And then I undercut it all with a dumb juxtaposition-as-nipple-lick-joke, as is my wont.

My favorite part: I had to give Kathryn a new superpower to make this rewrite work -- sex telepathy! Woo!

Soup sock,

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DizzasterJuice 17th Jan 2015, 6:10 PM edit delete reply
Dayum! You need to have some of these kind of pages more often. :P~~
Caley Tibbittz Collopy 18th Jan 2015, 5:48 PM edit delete reply
Caley Tibbittz Collopy
Ha, thanks.

As stated in the comments above, this page's direction took a me a little by surprise as the scene played out very clothed in the script, so who knows?
jamie59 17th Jan 2015, 7:08 PM edit delete reply
Sidelick might work.
Caley Tibbittz Collopy 18th Jan 2015, 5:48 PM edit delete reply
Caley Tibbittz Collopy
Bwahaha! That's genius! That's so much better than my alt-text. You win: my admiration!*

*My admiration is completely worthless, but still, you're a winner.
VanEzzania 18th Jan 2015, 5:56 AM edit delete reply
Which of the following describes my feelings right?
[X] Turned on.
[ ] Not turned on.
Caley Tibbittz Collopy 18th Jan 2015, 5:50 PM edit delete reply
Caley Tibbittz Collopy
Heh, that's a good reduction of some of the thinking that went into this.

I realized that Kathryn, feeling the warm glow of acceptance, wasn't nervous that Erica might want her, but rather hoping and leading.
VanEzzania 19th Jan 2015, 1:33 PM edit delete reply
Now that you mentioned that, I think my characters Elliot and Saira might be in the same boat as Kathryn. Hoping that that they want each other.

I must admit the Bible quote did catch my eye, too. Its a nice touch, I dunno if that passage was referring to homosexuality exactly but still cool. I put a Bible passage in a page description at one point too, it was from the Song of Songs though.
Caley Tibbittz Collopy 19th Jan 2015, 2:36 PM edit delete reply
Caley Tibbittz Collopy
Well, I'm no Bible expert, but according Christian blogger Ron Goetz, who wrote this article...

"Luke’s same-sex couples appear in Jesus’ discussion of a final separation which is often called the rapture. This is a separation of people who are acceptable to God and those who are not. As I said previously, whether or not you believe in this final separation, or whether or not you believe the Bible, doesn’t matter with regard to the significance of the passage. What is important is that Luke 17:34-35 teaches that sexually active gays and lesbians are not automatically consigned to perdition.

I tell you, in that night,
there shall be two men in one bed;
the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Two women shall be grinding together;
the one shall be taken, and the other left.
(Luke 17:34-35, KJV)

Two Women Grinding Together

The second mention of same sex-couples is “two women grinding together.” A literal translation is “two [women] grinding on the same [place].” While the word “women” does not appear in the passage, we know that it is women who are grinding because the Greek word “grinding” (alEthousai) is a feminine participle.

In the Hebrew Bible, “grind” is used as an acceptable euphemism for sexual intercourse in at least four places: Job 31:10, Judges 16:21, Isaiah 47:2-3, and Lamentations 5:13."

...and Part 2 of the article...

"I know that most people concerned with these issues believe that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. Well, technically, he didn’t, at least not as an abstract category. But he did mention four gays and lesbians–flesh and blood, living, breathing homosexuals. Jesus illustrates a key moment in “God’s Countdown to Judgment” by using as his examples 1) two men in one bed and 2) two women grinding together 3) at night. And half of the gays and lesbians (one member from each of the couples) are acceptable to God. And from what I read, the lesbian couple is in the middle of making love. Thus, acceptability to God has nothing to do with their celibacy.

By clearly alluding to the Levitical prohibitions against male homosexuality, followed immediately with his declaration that “one shall be taken, and the other left,” Jesus declared his own acceptance of gays and lesbians, and that gays and lesbians are not automatically rejected by God."

...I know there are a lot of conservative Bible readers who would find this idea hard to believe, but it does seem very much in line with Jesus' message and example of love and acceptance.

There's a little more follow-up here.

sigpig 21st Jan 2015, 9:28 AM edit delete reply
Tibbitz, again there is wonderful artwork in this comic. The first time I read it, I thought Kathryn's clothes teleported off. The second time I read it, I saw that you had made her armour and cloak transparent - a VERY nice technique. BTW, was it Jayde's touch that finally broke through Kathryn's self-imposed steel curtain of intimacy ("or into me I see"), because it certainly didn't seem like she was turned on at all by Erica's advances earlier.
Caley Tibbittz Collopy 26th Jan 2015, 4:59 PM edit delete reply
Caley Tibbittz Collopy
I'm glad you like the art.:)

Kathryn's armor magically appears or disappears at her mental command via her ring; she can "strip" without touching her clothes.

Kathryn has been fighting her own humanity for years, desperately trying not to feel anything. But Jayde cut right through that. Kathryn is bisexual and has been attracted to Erica for most of the story, but just showing (almost) no sign of it, because she's trying to convince herself that she doesn't want to connect to people, when of course she really does.
Ron Goetz 21st Jan 2015, 3:45 PM edit delete reply
Tibbitz, thanks for looking at my blog, and for giving it the nice, attention-grabbing plug.
Caley Tibbittz Collopy 26th Jan 2015, 5:00 PM edit delete reply
Caley Tibbittz Collopy
My pleasure. The Bible is an easy book for me to read but a hard book for me to understand. All the depth and symbolism of the passage you parsed in your blog was previously lost on me. You have my thanks for helping me see Jesus' intentions and meaning in a new light.
Songgu Kwon 25th Jan 2015, 4:54 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
Yeah, old JC was a seriously advanced thinker. What's known about his philosophy is actually more astonishing than the magical stuff they always harp on.
Caley Tibbittz Collopy 26th Jan 2015, 5:01 PM edit delete reply
Caley Tibbittz Collopy
Amen. The idea that a man could try to be an accepted progressive of his magnitude 2,000 years ago is much more interesting to me than whether or not he could walk on water.